The Land of Wonderful Challenges

Marki Costello

Welcome to Titans and Tangents, the show where big ideas collide with real life. I'm joined today by Dr. Jason Young. Let's not get it twisted, that's a doctor. He is a DC, a chiropractor, and owns an amazing chiropractic wellness center, Body of Health.

Jason is a chiropractor, a podcast host, a family man, and one of those rare people who can talk spine health, performance, and human behavior without sounding like a textbook with a pulse.

Dr. Jason Young

Yeah, no pulse.

Marki

No pulse. Thank God. We want you dead here at Titans. From the treatment room to the podcast studio, Jason knows how to cut through noise and get to what actually moves people forward. Today, we're talking health, mindset, resilience, and the tangents that usually end up being the most interesting part of the convo.

Let's get into it, Jason Young. Welcome to the pod, Titans and Tangents. And we just go on tangents and, eh. So what is the tangent today?

Dr. Young

Well, first of all, thank you for that great introduction.

Marki

You're welcome.

Dr. Young

I asked you what's the podcast about, and you didn't tell me any of that stuff.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

So now I'm thinking, "Hm, I got to come up with something."

Marki

Well, you are a Titan. I remember meeting you for the first time, when Finn played baseball.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

And you and your lovely wife. Because when I first moved here, Finn was in middle school, and it's really hard to break into that mommy group. You know what I mean? But your wife was so lovely. You were lovely. Griffin, I adore your son. He's a sweetheart.

Dr. Young

Griffin's a good one.

Marki

He'd be like, "Who have you coached?" And I would tell him, and I'm like, "P. Diddy." And this was before the parties that P—

Dr. Young

Hey, even freaks need coaching.

Marki

Even freaks need coaching.

Dr. Young

That's right.

Marki

Those were before the freak offs, and, FYI, I was never invited to a freak off, if you must know.

Dr. Young

Ah. Would you have gone?

Marki

Absolutely not. I got a lot of free DeLeon tequila, which was great. And I actually helped his daughter, Chance, get into NYU Tisch School of Acting, and someone recently said, "Why?" And I said, "Because these kids are lovely." And I think Sean kept those two worlds so separate. You know what I mean? And why...

I'm not, yeah, come on. Life, no. But Griffin's a sweetheart. Alston, your son, plays baseball and football.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

He recently had a little injury, correct?

Dr. Young

Yeah. So, ACL tear. We actually had him on our podcast. So, The PTCH is PT for physical therapy, and CH for chiro.

Marki

Physical therapy.

Dr. Young

And so that's The PTCH. And so he's a really good athlete. Three-sport athlete: basketball, football, baseball. He was going to be the starting quarterback. Tore his ACL taking a grounder in the outfield just a couple of months ago.

But we actually had him on our podcast with a half hour's notice, and he broke down everything about ACLs. I was like, "Oh."

Marki

Well, let me ask you a question.

Dr. Young

Zero desire to be a doctor of any kind.

Marki

Zero desire. When these kids get hurt so young, it's awful, because Finn just had a meniscus tear, and he's actually— today's the first time he's going to play lacrosse again, which I'm very nervous about. But why do we see so many kids tearing... I mean, so, okay, let's talk about the football team, that...

Christian Gabriel... Fean. Meaning, why are so many kids—

Dr. Young

Sylvester.

Marki

Yeah, Sylvester. Why? Why so many kids hurting themselves? Bad conditioning?

Dr. Young

I think it's always been that way. There's always been these sports injuries. I think one of the good things is that today we're better at, number one, identifying what's going on, and then number two, actually doing something that's going to get them back to playing. But it's kind of fun.

I grew up in Corvallis, and so when I go to these baseball games and stuff, I see all the aftermath of all the guys who were athletes when I was in high school. And they're all limping and gimping around because those injuries have always been there. People have always been tearing meniscuses and everything like that.

It's just now, I think we know a lot more about them, so you hear a lot more. Before it was just like, "Oh, you got a bum knee now. Get back out there."

Marki

But, okay, so my question to you, having The PTCH Podcast and it being about physical therapy and chiropractic, and your son tearing an ACL, which is a gnarly thing to happen to a kid.

Dr. Young

Yeah, it's a big one. It's going to cost him his senior year of football unfortunately.

Marki

It will.

Dr. Young

Yeah.

Marki

It will, yeah. So, do you pivot? What's plan B?

Dr. Young

He can't pivot right now because of the ACL tear.

Marki

Ba-da-ba.

Dr. Young

Raul, where's the sound effects, bro?

Marki

Raul.

Dr. Young

Come on. Nah. Yeah.

Marki

But that's what I'm saying. It's kind of heartbreaking, these kids.

Dr. Young

It is.

Marki

That's why I started the podcast for Finny. Meaning, because I was like, "Finn, look, you love sports. Lacrosse is not recognized at all here in Corvallis. You guys are like the ugly stepsister sport that..."

But I said, "The podcast, that's something that a college would look at if you can really produce it right, your junior and senior year."

Dr. Young

Yeah, and he does a great job.

Marki

And it's just a great job.

Dr. Young

I've listened to every single episode.

Marki

It's really good.

Dr. Young

Yeah, it's good. I'm like, "Man, this kid is poised." This is not like the kid that I talked to.

Marki

Hello, his mother is the number one media coach. I even said to him, the very first day he did it, I go, "Let's do a little media training." The worst to train. And I said to him, I go, "You know, I don't need this. I don't need to train you."

Dr. Young

Well, I imagine you probably aren't typically training a lot of teenagers, right? Teenagers, I think, would just be tough.

Marki

Just be the worst in general? You're right. And having it be your own kid, even worse. But the funny thing is, he looked at me on the way to the studio and he goes, "Mom, I've been sitting in your studio, I've been listening to you on Zoom. I have been listening to you for 16 years. I think I got this."

And it hit me, Jason. I go, "All right, I got to let it go and see what—" And he has been a natural, I mean—

Dr. Young

Oh, so that's not with a ton of coaching. He just stepped up and did it.

Marki

Natural.

Dr. Young

See, okay. So I had that same experience whenever Alston came on the podcast, because Alston's a pretty mild-mannered, quiet guy, and so it blew me away. I was literally sitting there eating lunch, and Cathy, we had to pivot on our topic that day, and she was like, "Well, could we talk about ACLs?"

And I was like, "Yeah, I've recently been doing a lot of reading on ACLs." Go figure. And so I thought maybe we could have Alston on. She was like, "Yeah, if he would." So I called him up and I was like, "In 30 minutes, can you be on the podcast?" He says, "Sure."

So the guy sits down with zero preparation, and because he's been listening to the podcast, he's got all the jokes and the inside stuff, and he's saying stuff, and I'm like, "Oh, bro, that's like a deep cut from the podcast." And yeah, so it made me feel good that my son listens to me.

It probably made you feel good that like, "Oh, yay."

Marki

Yes. It really does. It's funny because my older son who lives in California, Lucas—my company cast the very first season of the TV show "The Bachelor," and he's—

Dr. Young

Never heard of it.

Marki

Never heard of it, yeah. And he is casting the new season. And I just was like, "God, what a weird full circle moment." Never did I think my kids listen to me or would even go in the same sort of route as me. So there's still hope that your kids are going to be a chiropractor.

Dr. Young

Well, and here's a tangent. He must know one of my cousins then, because she works in casting on "The Bachelor" too.

Marki

Who?

Dr. Young

Gosh, which one is it?

Marki

Are you lying?

Dr. Young

No, I'm not. Man.

Marki

Is she working on the current season right now?

Dr. Young

I don't know. This was a few years ago. I know that she was working on a casting before.

Marki

Because it depends on what casting company is doing it, because then they hire 10 people underneath them. But yeah.

Dr. Young

Yeah. I got to remember which one, if it was Shirelle or Karima.

Marki

And I paved the way for them.

Dr. Young

But anyway. Yeah. So now I hope that she never watches this, because she's going to be like, "Oh, no, you forgot who I am."

Marki

She's going to be like, "You didn't even know your cousins." Nah. Let's back up a little bit. So you're born and raised in Oregon.

Dr. Young

No.

Marki

Okay, give me the skinny.

Dr. Young

So I think there's two types of Oregonians. There's native Oregonians who are born and raised here, right? And then there's what's called a true Oregonian, which is people from California.

Marki

I'm a true Oregonian.

Dr. Young

We're true Oregonians. Let's go.

Marki

Yay.

Dr. Young

Yeah, so I lived in the Bay Area till I was 11. And then moved up here mostly to escape some felony charges. No, I'm just kidding.

Marki

He's kidding.

Dr. Young

Am I? And no.

Marki

We're Googling that right now.

Dr. Young

We're an HP family, so my dad worked for HP. We had some friends who moved up here a long time ago. We'd come up and visit, and we're like, "Oregon is really cool." And so we moved up here from San Jose. So I've lived here since I was 11.

But yeah, I'm a Corvallis guy, and yeah, all the Corvallis things, Beavers and Woodstocks and all that kind of stuff.

Marki

What's your favorite... Have you had Birdie's Pizza yet?

Dr. Young

Oh, yeah. Birdie's is—

Marki

I mean, I don't know. Okay, so Woodstock or Birdie's? I mean, that's the big question.

Dr. Young

They're not in the same category.

Marki

Well, who do you like better? Are you going to say Woodstock?

Dr. Young

No, it really depends upon the occasion, I think.

Marki

And I'm not talking about their Detroit deep dish at Birdie's. I'm talking about just their New York thin, yummy, like—

Dr. Young

Yeah, I can't really put them in the same category, because Birdie's, that is more of like an artisan—

Marki

It's so good.

Dr. Young

Yeah. It's—

Marki

Me and Finn have ours at least every Sunday.

Dr. Young

—it's a very specific pizza.

Marki

Very New York.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

It's a very specific— I even said to Finn, I recently took Finn on a little New York trip and we had pizza everywhere in New York, and he was like, "Mom, Birdie's, honestly, I like it better than New York." Like, it's—

Dr. Young

Yeah, it's fantastic. Yes, and it's pizza that's made by chefs.

Marki

Yeah, it's so good.

Dr. Young

Right? Whereas like every other—

Marki

And it's a $40 pie, by the way. But yeah.

Dr. Young

Yeah, you pay for it.

Marki

You're paying for it.

Dr. Young

Every other pizza place is like pizza that's made by high schoolers. Which is what most pizza in America is.

Marki

It's okay. Right.

Dr. Young

And it's just fine, because pizza's great. What's weird is, so American Dream is here. Also a very Corvallis brand. I grew up hating American Dream.

Marki

Me too. I just didn't like—

Dr. Young

Oh, it's just—

Marki

—the cornmealy... why? That crust to me is just not yummy.

Dr. Young

Yeah. Was not it. Now, in the last year—

Marki

Has it gotten better?

Dr. Young

In the last year, I'm like, yeah, I eat a lot of American Dream pizza. I want the sausage, onion, and mushroom pizza. I could just eat that all day. And it's weird, because I've always grown up, "Nah, I don't like American Dream." And it's a very specific type of pizza. It's got a crust that you got to like that crust.

Marki

You've got to like that. But Woodstock I like way better than American Dream. And Woodstock started in San Jose. There's a Woodstock in San Jose, believe it or not. Because my older son went to— he was a Banana Slug. He went to UC Santa Cruz.

So let me ask you a question about Corvallis, and we were talking about this a little earlier with Alex, the mayor of Albany. I feel like with Corvallis it is such a clo— But when it comes to media, or like, I went to go see a comic two weeks ago at The Majestic, which was so fun.

And we went downtown, but everything closes so early. Why aren't we creating... They're not allowed to have a box store. We can't get a tie-in. And you being here for as long as you have— why?

Dr. Young

So classically in Corvallis, we've been waiting for certain people to die.

Marki

Like who?

Dr. Young

Like whoever is keeping us from having fun. It's the footloose people.

Marki

Exactly. The fun police, yeah.

Dr. Young

It's the footloose people, right?

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

And they're like, "Ah, yeah." But that's kind of always been Corvallis' brand. I shouldn't say always, but as long as I've known it, there's been people who are adamant about the city not growing. They don't want chain stores coming in. They don't want chain restaurants coming in. They want things that are unique.

We value people shopping local, and that's part of what's made Corvallis really, really nice. Now, there's a few things that happened in the meantime that made that kind of unsustainable. One of the things is what happened with HP. So you went—

Marki

What happened with HP? Because it was booming, and then what happened?

Dr. Young

So you went through this whole few decades of boom from HP. They had all kinds of tax benefits from being here, so they were one of the major employers in town, if not the major employer. And then the tax benefits ran out. The culture of the company changed, too.

They got a CEO that was much more focused on making sure that shareholders got what they wanted. And it really changed— read between the lines, destroyed the culture that was there. And then they started laying off people and off-siting some things. And so HP's presence here really shrunk.

And along with that went a lot of the affluent families and larger families that were the bedrock of the community. And so for a little while, the Corvallis economy was just kind of adrift, because now it's like, okay, who's the next major employer?

So you have OSU, you have Samaritan, and so those things have kind of fluctuated. So I think one of the things that Corvallis has gone through is— and these are things that are being addressed— but on one hand, you have not enough housing.

So there's a good amount of housing, but for a community that didn't really want to grow, there was enough housing. But now it's like you've got to bring people in for the economy. And so that's one thing. The other thing too is we've had struggles in the school district.

Marki

Isn't CV going to close down? And didn't Sheldean just close down? Like—

Dr. Young

So Sheldean's closed. There's another elementary school closed. It used to be Wilson. I can't remember the new name of that one.

Marki

But why? Why are we losing all these schools? Why?

Dr. Young

Oh, well, there's a few reasons.

Marki

No one's having babies?

Dr. Young

Well, I don't know who's having babies and who isn't, but there's a lot of people that are unsatisfied with the school district.

There's been some weird moves in terms of how we do math and politics, and so you get a lot of people who have sent their kids to Philomath for school, or there's families that literally have packed up and left because they wanted to get rid of tracking, where it's like you could do advanced math or anything like that.

And so some people just question some of the leadership's commitment to schools and kids and everything like that.

Marki

Right. Well, you think, because we have OSU and it's a college town and you have engineering students, and you have veterinarian students, you know what I mean? It's like highbrow. It's a big ag school, agriculture.

I'll be sometimes at Market of Choice, and you know that Scott who runs Titan Pod has never been to Market of Choice?

Dr. Young

I've met him. What, really?

Marki

I literally, I go, "Shut up."

Dr. Young

Why?

Marki

And he goes, "It's just too expensive." I go, "Scott, so you never enter? I get it's too expensive, but I am there two or three times a week."

Dr. Young

Again, if people could see how many monitors and screens there are in this room, they would understand where all Scott's money goes.

Marki

His money goes. Right, exactly.

Dr. Young

Yes, he can't go for expensive stones.

Marki

No, he can't. And then he bought a machine the other day that he goes, "Oh, it makes the T-shirts and the jackets with Titan and the hats," and yeah.

Dr. Young

Yeah. He doesn't have money for like $14 dish soap.

Marki

No. No, he doesn't. Yeah, exactly. But my point to you is that I'll be in the Market of Choice parking lot, and you'll see like a Range Rover, and every once in a while, I'm like, "Look, she's got a Louis Vuitton purse." You know what I mean? In California, that's just like, if you don't have a Louis Vuitton, you're...

So I'm like, well, there is money.

Dr. Young

There is, yeah.

Marki

And I don't know. Is that the football money? And now that these athletes are making their NIL, and they're coming here, and the school is paying someone. I know Jammers, or Jam? I forget the football player. Yeah, they're paying him. Jamo, Jamo.

Dr. Young

Oh, Jamo. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Marki

Well, didn't he just get paid $1. 5 million, $2 million to come here?

Dr. Young

Oh, I don't know.

Marki

He did. I'm trying to get him on the podcast.

Dr. Young

All I know is I've been here a while, and nobody's offered me 1. 5 million.

Marki

Okay. So, and NIL, a lot of people hate NIL, but I'm saying like—

Dr. Young

I don't.

Marki

You don't?

Dr. Young

No, and I think it's weird, and we're in a difficult season with it, but I think paying athletes for being the product is absolutely the right thing to do.

Marki

I do, too. I think it makes it also way more interesting. I think the NCAA has shit to work out, like if they pay you 1. 5 and then you go into the transfer portal eight months later, I don't think that's okay.

Dr. Young

Yeah. No, that's got to be fixed.

Marki

That's the shit that's fraud.

Dr. Young

That's fraud.

Marki

That's the stuff they need to figure out, right? Meaning, "Hey, if we give you X amount of dollars, you're playing for all four years unless you get hurt or whatever." Meaning all of that stuff. But I just feel like— and someone recently said, "Oh, we have so much homeless in Corvallis." I said, "Get on a plane."

It's not a lot. It's not a lot. I know all seven of the homeless people and that. You know what I mean? Actually, I said to the guy the other day, I was like, "I got you a sandwich. Your sign says you're hungry." He was like, "Well, I really want money."

And I go, "Well, why don't you just really put 'I really want heroin' on your sign?" Meaning, we'd appreciate your honesty.

Dr. Young

The people who are unhoused that I've met around here, they're really cool. They're they're not bad people.

Marki

They all have a story.

Dr. Young

And most of them aren't out there doing a bunch of crime or anything like that.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

We're one of the few clinics in town that take Oregon Health Plan, and so we have a few homeless patients. It's kind of funny, because we treat everybody the same. I don't care if you are an OSU athlete or if you are living over on the waterfront. We're going to treat everybody the same.

Marki

Make you feel good, right.

Dr. Young

Yeah. And so sometimes people, they appreciate it, and they're like, "I've been telling all my friends about you." And I'm like, "We can just keep it between us."

Marki

Between us, yeah.

Dr. Young

Yeah, no, it's good.

Marki

You can tell all your friends about the river. It's okay.

Dr. Young

No, it's good.

Marki

We might— There's a lot of people in that waiting room.

Dr. Young

But no, we've got— Even the homeless people here are pretty cool. And... go to San Francisco. Well, I took my wife on a long date to San Francisco. I had an airplane voucher or something that I had to use up, so I was like, "Let's go down to San Francisco just so we can..." So she's like, "Cool."

So we're down there, we're going to breakfast, lunch, seeing the sights and everything, and we're walking down the road and I'm like, "People..." This is not Corvallis. Like in Corvallis, when people walk their dogs, they pick up the dog poop, right? For the most part.

And San Francisco is like, man, you're just dodging piles left and right. And then I discovered this was not dog poop. This is people—

Marki

It was human poop.

Dr. Young

It was because I saw a pile being produced.

Marki

Yeah, people poop.

Dr. Young

And I was like, "Ooh, yes." So yeah, it's good to be here. We've got—

Marki

No, it is. Let me just say—

Dr. Young

We've got good problems.

Marki

I went to California a month ago, and right by Century City Mall, so Beverly Glen and little Santa Monica, a man, fully naked, touching his you-know-what on the cor— And I said to my older— I go, "Literally, I cannot... This is too much." Meaning it's gotten...

In LA, even though I'm born and raised there, and people getting robbed left and right. Like, I raised my kids in the Palisades. The house we raised, gone. You know what I mean? My girlfriend fighting State Farm because they owe her all this money for her house burning down. We don't have those problems here.

It took me a little while to adjust to Corvallis, but I really do love it. And when I first moved here, people would like— When I still had my California plates I'd be driving downtown and people would pull up to me and go, "Sh-fah," and I'd be like, "What did I...?" Just my plates alone.

Like they hated that I was from California, and then—

Dr. Young

Yeah. They're like, "Oh, it's a true Oregonian. Get her."

Marki

Exactly. And so they would get me, and then— but really, it took me a little while. After the first year of seasonal depression, because of the weather, that eight months kills me. Now at this time when it's May, I'm like, "I really need June to come. I need the sun." You start to really go—

Dr. Young

And you know it's not the sun.

Marki

What is it?

Dr. Young

It's the lack of activity. That's what it is. The seasonal affective disease, people are like, "Oh yeah, you're not getting the vitamin D." It's just not being active. You just got to do something.

Marki

No, I go to Timber— Since I've moved here, I work out like a frigging fiend because when I first moved here the first year, I literally was cooking lasagna and never going anywhere.

Dr. Young

Good.

Marki

And then the second year, I was like, "Oh, no, no." I dropped 50 pounds immediately. Got to Timberhill. I go to Burn Boot Camp. I literally was like, "No, no, I will lose my mind."

So it's actually, like you said, because yes, you can get in a depression with the cold weather, but I had to really go like, "Okay, let me go the other way." And working out has saved my life.

But Oregon, too— I just, even when I come back from a trip to New York and I come back here, I'm like, going through Eugene Airport, I'm like, it's so ni— Like, meaning there's just so... And I'm off Peoria, so like the green, I'm like, "Hello." Like, you know.

Dr. Young

I know exactly what you mean. And you don't even have to get all the way out of the airport. It is when the door opens to the airplane, and you get into the tunnel, and it's a little cool. It's a little damp.

Marki

I like the little smell of the rain.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

Yeah, like—

Dr. Young

It's like, okay. Woo.

Marki

The air is fresh. You can breathe. And there really is something to say.

It took me a little while to, but getting back to you, I know you've been at football games, and you guys are so active in the football, and when Alston was playing baseball, so active, and running your practice, and doing a p— What made The PTCH come about? You and Cathy, how did that come to be?

Dr. Young

Yeah, that was easy.

Marki

It was?

Dr. Young

Yeah. She just came to me one day, and she's like—

Marki

She came to you?

Dr. Young

Yeah. She's like, "You know, we should do a podcast." And I don't even think she was through the sentence before I was like, "Yeah, we totally should. Let's do it." And I think I freaked her out a little bit because I just picked it up and ran with it.

So I was like, "Oh yeah, we need to do this, this, this," and I started going through—

Marki

How did you find Titan? How'd you find the podcast studio? How did it all come together?

Dr. Young

Oh, we're in the same networking group. Corvallis Business Network. And so we knew Scott from that. And I think that that's kind of what piqued her interest, was she's like, "Oh, Scott's got a podcast studio?" And so then she's like, "Well, what would I make a podcast about? And who would I make it with?"

And so I was all about it. There's the other thing, too, which is that I did theater for a little bit here in town, in the local Majestic Theater. Shout out to my theater kids. But doing a show— well, and I should add, I didn't do it because I wanted to. I did it to support Griffin.

Yeah, who wanted to be in a play, and he got nervous.

Marki

Griffin, I love, by the way.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

Your son— I hate to say this to you, and I hope I don't step out of— He's a creative being.

Dr. Young

He is.

Marki

I hope you know that. And I have been around talent for a very long time. He's got that little it factor.

Dr. Young

He does, yeah.

Marki

He's a creator. And that's something you— When people say, "How can I be—?" Look, 75% of it, you've got to be born with that gene, and he has that gene. I hope you're nurturing it.

Dr. Young

Oh, totally. And so the thing is, he wanted to be in— it was going to be "Elf," the musical. Right? And so he wanted to go and audition. And so we take him to the auditions, and he gets nervous, and he's like, "I don't know if I want to do this." And I was like, "Look, dude, I'll audition with you."

So I went and I sang "Happy Birthday." And then he went and auditioned and just sang like a beautiful— He's got a beautiful singing voice. And then he hit puberty. Who knows what the singing voice is right now. But so he ended up getting one of the leads, and then I got cast as Santa Claus.

And so it was really cool, because we got to do this thing together.

Marki

I love that.

Dr. Young

And I really enjoyed it. It was fun. Like I'd never— Well, I had acted once before, and that was in high school. I was in a play called "The Last Fertile Man on Earth." I did not play the title role.

Marki

Sure, Jason.

Dr. Young

I did not. I played a newscaster. And what happened— so these were one-act plays—

Marki

Coming up today at 7:00 o'clock. Yeah.

Dr. Young

And it was just one show, right? And so I went and I'm doing my part, and I'm supposed to read this thing about scientists, blah, blah, blah. And so then I get done with my part, and I look off to the side, and they're like, "Keep going because we're not ready yet." And I'm like, "Oh."

So I had to start making up yeah, I had to start making up news stories and stuff.

Marki

Strut. Shh.

Dr. Young

And so that was kind of fun. And then I got my chance to do "Elf," and then I made some good friends doing that, and I was like, "I want to do 'Spamalot' with some of my friends." One of the leads from "Elf" was directing "Spamalot," so I did that.

And at the culmination of all this, I looked, and these were some of the best experiences of my life, but they were costly time-wise. It's a ton of time away from the family, away from work.

And so one of the things that was nice about this, especially when I went to my wife with it, was, "If I could do this podcast, I don't have to do plays."

Marki

She was like, "Do the podcast."

Dr. Young

Yeah. Scratched that itch. Plus, she likes that it's actually related to what I do to make money. Whereas dressing up like a knight not so much.

Marki

Not so much. Let's talk about the family for a second, because I had the privilege of meeting your daughters really briefly at Woodstock two years ago. They were in town before. One was going to New York, one was getting spied on in Portland. The Airbnb had cameras, which is freaky.

Dr. Young

That's right.

Marki

Remember that?

Dr. Young

Oh my gosh.

Marki

But they're super bright. So what do you attribute your kids all being super smart, super bright, overachievers?

Dr. Young

Are you familiar with the concept of total war?

Marki

Yes and no.

Dr. Young

Okay. So total war— Ukraine is probably the most recent example we might think of when it comes to total war.

Marki

Total war.

Dr. Young

Right. When you have a force that invades, like Russia invades Ukraine, and every man, woman, child, person in a wheelchair, person laying in a bed, every athlete, everybody is now in the army. Right? It is total war.

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

All your neighbors, all your enemies are now friends. You are united in that cause. So we have a kind of a total war ethos or philosophy about how our family is run. My dream would be to be like a mafia family, right?

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

Not out there doing illegal stuff, but we're very committed to each other. We're very committed to each other's success, making each other look good, living our lives in a way where nobody ever has to be ashamed to be associated with somebody.

So people say things like, "Oh, Griffin," and I know it's going to be good stuff after, because he's a great kid. And we all understand this. So yeah, so we care, and we are all about Team Young. Team Young is the thing.

And my daughters, I think that we just got really, really lucky, because they're both brilliant, beautiful, motivated, and it's kind of made things weird because we kind of have these two sets. The girls are older, and then the boys are a little bit younger.

And with the boys, there's some things where it's like, "Man, we never had to tell the girls that." And so I'm wondering, am I just not a good parent? Because I didn't—

Marki

Right. No, boys are way different. Way different. Yeah.

Dr. Young

And the boys are great, too.

Marki

They are.

Dr. Young

But they're just, they're different.

Marki

Way different.

Dr. Young

They're different. Yeah.

Marki

Their brains, their frontal, yeah, it's a different— yeah. And I'm like the mom and the dad, because I basically raise Finn, and that's why I think I have a hate against the lacrosse team, because they love Finn's dad, who sees him two weeks out of the year.

When he comes into town, they're like, "Tommy, you're so great, Tommy." And I'm like— I yell, "Go Finn." They're like, "Shh."

Dr. Young

Yeah. "Quiet. We can't hear Tommy."

Marki

"Quiet, Marki, you're too loud." Exactly.

Dr. Young

Yeah. "We can't hear Tommy."

Marki

"We can't hear Tommy. Tommy's here. He made our T-shirts." I'm like, "Ah." Right? I'm like, "How about, can he pay me some child support? How about help with food, a car payment?" Nothing.

Dr. Young

Tommy, if you're listening—

Marki

—if you're listening, Tommy, and I hope you are, cut this clip especially for him. So I think what happens is when I go to lacrosse, they're always like, "Marki, we don't yell like that, Marki. We don't root like that."

And one time they played Albany last year, and it was one of those rainy Oregon nights, but it was May, where it had rained in the day, but the skies had cleared.

Dr. Young

Yes. Beautiful.

Marki

Beautiful. I got to the game, and all the parents were on the other side covered, because it had probably rained 20 minutes before. So I'm on the visitor side, the only parent on the visitor side, and I get to the game, and Finn scores, right? And I go, "Oh my God, that's how we do it." This little man—

Dr. Young

Suck it, Albany.

Marki

Yes. I didn't say suck it.

Dr. Young

Where's Alex Johnson now? Where's Alex Johnson?

Marki

Alex for Albany. No, but I said— I see this little dad, maybe he's four-two, turns around and looks at me, and he goes... And I'm on the phone with my older son, and I was like, "Oh, hell no. What is going on? Am I in an alternative universe?"

And my older son on the phone goes, "I hope he doesn't come to you to try to reprimand you." I said, "You know what? I double dog dare him. I really want him to." He turns around, he walks toward me, he's like, "If you root—" and I go, "Root for my kid?" "—I'm going to be—" Ejected? I'm the only person.

And it's so weird, because I just have this weird thing. I don't know why I just told you about my lacrosse weird thing.

Dr. Young

No, but I—

Marki

I loved when he played baseball. I said, "Finn, it was so fun going. The parents were so fun. Everybody talked. We'd sit there for three hours sometimes," meaning everybody was so, "Hey, I'm going to Chipotle. Hey, I'm going... Get me..." It was such a community.

Dr. Young

And it reminds me of Little League. So for a long time, I coached every sport imaginable. I started with coaching soccer, which I knew so little about— I knew so little about soccer that when I agreed to coach it, I had to look up how many points a goal is worth, right?

Marki

You had to look it up. Right.

Dr. Young

But then there were some other sports I knew more about. Baseball is one of them. And we had that team mentality where it was like people were clamoring to get on our team. Because number one, I cared about winning and losing. Because I think winning's fun.

Marki

I do, too.

Dr. Young

And kids know the difference. And they want to have a good time.

Marki

And it's a part of life. You're going to win some and you're going to lose some.

Dr. Young

It's part of why we want our kids to play sports. It's not because you want them to win all the time it's because you want them to learn to lose in a controlled environment and overcome that.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

So there's value in that. I hate it when people are like, "We shouldn't keep score." Well, you should go back to your job, where you're working for free apparently. But we would have meals at every game, and so there were people that were like, "Can we get on your team? Can you pick my kid for the team?

Because we want to do the dinners. Can we do the dinners?"

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

But I think that parent group and stuff, it's a really fun group of people to cheer with.

Marki

It is. When Finn told me he wanted to play lacrosse, it really broke my heart. I go, "Well, that's the one thing I look forward to," was literally spring and going to the baseball games.

Dr. Young

You can still come to the baseball games.

Marki

I loved it. I should. Is Alston playing?

Dr. Young

Alston's not playing, but we still go to all the games.

Marki

You do? I should go.

Dr. Young

Yeah. And we still cheer for him because he keeps the stats. And we're like, "Oh, look, the stats updated. That's my boy. That's my boy. Did you see that?"

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

"Did you see that an error just got logged?"

Marki

That's my boy, right. Yeah.

Dr. Young

"Did your kid put in the error, or did he commit the error? Hmm? Okay." Yeah.

Marki

But do you think, with being in a college town where sports is so prevalent and with these boys— I say to Finn all the time, "Look, that's why we had a plan B with..." First time in a studio for me, Jason.

Dr. Young

Oh, really?

Marki

Yeah. No, of course not, but I don't know who this is... yeah, you would think that.

Dr. Young

At least it wasn't me.

Marki

Look, "Spam Risk."

Dr. Young

Oh, answer. Let's do it.

Marki

Let's do a spam call. Hello?

Dr. Young

$280,000.

Marki

Oh, they want to loan me $280,000.

Dr. Young

Just a couple documents.

Marki

And they only need a couple documents.

Dr. Young

Oh, man. We were going to have some fun if that wasn't a robot call.

Marki

I know. I must be on some list because they want to give me $280,000 really badly.

Dr. Young

Shoot. Heck yeah. Hmm.

Marki

But yeah, I think what I do love about Corvallis— I like the family aspect. I do think it's a very sports town. We go to a lot of U of O games and a lot of OSU games. What do you think OSU is— I know, don't get mad.

Dr. Young

You're going to what games?

Marki

I know, I know. We go to some U of O.

Dr. Young

Listen, we do Roadrunners, we do Beavers. Okay. Anyway, but go ahead.

Marki

So did you go to OSU?

Dr. Young

I did, yeah. That's where I met my wife.

Marki

What was she going to school for, and what were you going— were you—

Dr. Young

She was going to school to meet me, mostly. No. You know, it's funny, being on... You know, we'll raise the eyebrows, we'll be like— And she's like, "Don't do that." We're like, "Do what?"

Marki

Why not?

Dr. Young

She's like, "Don't do that thing where you bite your lip." Like, "No problem with that." She's like, "Yeah, you guys are over here like this." And I'm like, "No, we don't do the bottom."

Marki

Do your kids do this on the phone?

Dr. Young

Yeah, they don't bite the top lip. No, my daughter, my oldest daughter does that. Anyway.

Marki

Yeah. Sometimes I'll catch Finn doing that, but go on.

Dr. Young

Yeah. So it was about—

Marki

You're meeting your wife at OSU.

Dr. Young

Oh, yes.

Marki

Yeah. What was she doing and what were you doing? What were you getting your degrees in?

Dr. Young

She was studying business. I was studying business, actually. She was ahead of me.

Marki

Is she older?

Dr. Young

No, I'm older. No, but I went and I served a mission for my church. And so I—

Marki

Are you Mormon?

Dr. Young

So I came back and I was probably a little more older and sophisticated-er.

Marki

Than her. Like Taylor Frankie Paul from "The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives." We can dive really hardcore into that, but keep going.

Dr. Young

Yeah, boy. Okay. Yes. You've probably met her.

Marki

My son cast her season that got scrapped by ABC after the domestic violence. Those weren't— those wacky Mormons.

Dr. Young

That all's so dirty, because they knew.

Marki

They knew.

Dr. Young

They knew.

Marki

I was literally fighting in the comments. People going there, like, I go, "You guys, Hulu and ABC are one and the same. That happened three years ago." Like, meaning all of this is nonsense, and they're re-airing it this summer.

Dr. Young

That's good. Yeah. But anyway, so I got home. It's funny because the first time I ever saw her was a picture of her, because I was writing back and forth with her roommate. So she's like, "Look, this is all my roommates and everything." And so then I got home, and I was planning on dating her roommate, and—

Marki

This is Titans. We want to keep that you're a Titan of the community, Jason.

Dr. Young

Yes. So I got home, and it took me about five minutes to realize I do not want to date that girl. And so then I ended up actually meeting Mandy like a week later. We were over at Chintimini Park playing sand volleyball. And I talk trash. That's my main athletic skill, is trash talk.

Marki

Me too. I love a good trash talk.

Dr. Young

Yes, absolutely.

Marki

Yeah, come on.

Dr. Young

Absolutely, yes.

Marki

Pussies. You can't take it.

Dr. Young

So I was talking a lot of trash with her, and I liked the way that she just—

Marki

Talked back.

Dr. Young

Yeah, she talked back, right?

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

And I actually, that day, I decided, I was like, "This is who I want to marry." And I stalked her for two years.

Marki

Was she Mormon at the time too or did she convert?

Dr. Young

And it happened, yeah. And so, yeah, I stalked her for two years and made it happen. It was great.

Marki

Is there a big Mormon community in Corvallis?

Dr. Young

See, now Corvallis is interesting. I think—

Marki

Is there a Mormon church?

Dr. Young

Oh, there is, yeah. There's two, three. There's actually four in the area.

Marki

Really? So there must be a big Mormon community if there's four Mormon churches.

Dr. Young

Yes-ish, but the thing is that—

Marki

Yes-ish.

Dr. Young

Corvallis, yeah. And here's—

Marki

Is that like Black-ish? Yes-ish?

Dr. Young

Yes. Here's the caveat. Once upon a time, Corvallis was rated as the least churched city per capita in the country.

Marki

Really? And I see lots of churches here.

Dr. Young

Yeah. And so that is in terms of people actually going.

Marki

So they had to catch up.

Dr. Young

Yeah. So, it's not like the average person that you meet on the street is going to church every Sunday. Which I think has been changing lately, which I think is good. I don't care what church you go to. I think it's good when people go to church.

And if you don't want to go to church, I think it's good when people believe in something that's higher. I think it's good for them, which is good for everybody. Yeah. Unless you're crazy.

Marki

Unless you're crazy. I always say that to Finn too. Meaning, you have to believe that there's something bigger than yourself. Some people say God, some people say universe. You know what I mean? To me, I always say, "I'm God's favorite child. And that's why God will always look out for me," and I believe that.

My parents were raised very... My mom was very— my dad wasn't, but my mom was very Catholic, Italian. But I lost her when I was 20. She died of a brain aneurysm. Longevity. My grandpa was Lou Costello of Abbott and Costello. He died at 52 of a heart attack.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

My mom died at 48 of a brain aneurysm. My dad, who lives here, had a massive stroke last year. So I say heart attack or stroke's taking me out soon, doc.

Dr. Young

So you skipped over the Costello thing. And I'll tell you that—

Marki

Who's on first, what's on second, I Don't Know's on third. Strange as it may seem, they get ballplayers now with very peculiar names. On the Cooperstown team we have Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third. That's what I want to find out. You want to know the fella's name? Who's on first.

Jump in, Jason.

Dr. Young

I can't. No, but when you guys first moved here, that's what we were talking about, and everybody would be like, "Hey, you know who her grandfather is?" And everybody, "Yeah, it's Costello from Abbott and Costello." And it's like, yeah.

And so it was funny because everybody would share that like it's this secret that they knew.

Marki

Ooh. Right.

Dr. Young

Yeah. And so it took a while before anybody wanted to talk, because they were like, "What's going to happen if you talk to somebody who was kind of famous?"

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

But you're dope. You're real cool.

Marki

I don't mind. I'm dope. Yeah.

Dr. Young

Yeah, you're real cool.

Marki

No one wants to talk about the P. Diddy— what were the parties called? The—

Dr. Young

That's what we led with.

Marki

That's what we led—

Dr. Young

The Freak Off.

Marki

The Freak Off. They want to talk... Yeah. No. I really want to bring media back here, and I think you and I see eye to eye. I think media— even when I'm talking to people earlier today that came on for this real estate stuff that Scott's doing, they're like...

I go, "You guys have to understand, this next generation is here." They are on their phone. I'll say to Finn like, "Look at a website." He's like, "Mom, it's 2026. I'm looking at their Instagram or TikTok." They're not...

So I say to these businesses, salon owner, I'm like, "You guys that have no presence on social media, no print media." But they'll be like, "I don't like the way I look. I don't like to talk." And I'm like, "I can help you with all of that."

But it's so crazy, their mindset's like, no— but they better catch up, because this isn't going away.

Dr. Young

Well, and the thing is too is that people, I think by and large, don't understand the value of just getting started. So I'm actually in the midst— I'm on day 68 of a campaign, a social media campaign.

Marki

I see yours when you're like—

Dr. Young

You do. Yes.

Marki

Yes, I do. Yeah.

Dr. Young

My 100 days of evidence for chiropractic. And what a lot of people don't realize— most, well, because I don't talk about it— is I'm actually running a study with that. I want to see if I can have conversations about evidence with people. I'm actually tracking it, and I am going to write a paper on it.

And I already have a couple presentations that are lined up where it's basically figuring out, how do we have conversations about things that people get emotionally charged about? And the thing that's weird is I'm relying heavily on AI to help me with this and to keep it all organized and everything.

And so I'm getting calls from people. I got a call from a guy, he's part of a state association, and he's like, "Hey, listen, we are trying to expand our scope, and you are an expert on this, and so I need you to tell me what can I tell them," and da da da.

And he thinks that I'm an expert based on the fact that I've been reading these things for 68 days. And I think that people don't understand, because they want it to be all polished, and they need the effect.

Marki

No, I need to—

Dr. Young

"I need to look like this. I need to be able to do a TikTok dance." No.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

You just got to show up and find your voice and do it wrong a whole bunch.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

My early ones, I'm like, "Oh, this is crap." Now, it's kind of polished and big.

Marki

100%. No, and I tell people they don't want it perfect and polished. We want it real, raw, relatable.

Dr. Young

No.

Marki

They want to go like, "Oh my God, I can do that too." When I started doing Coolvaliz, I said, "I'm not going to put that podcast anywhere. I just want the clips." Because guess what? And now I just was reading an article literally in "The Washington Post" about how this next generation, they just want the clips.

They're just the clips. If they're really interested in the subject that happened on that podcast, they'll go listen to it at the gym or whatever. But I just said, "I'm doing an experiment. I want to see if people—"

Dr. Young

Experiments are good.

Marki

Do you know what's interesting? Since I'm going to do Coolvaliz in a couple weeks, but I've been so busy with other stuff— but I said to people, they're like, "Where's Coolvaliz? You haven't put any of the new stuff out." And I'm thinking, "Really?" And it's just they miss the clips.

Dr. Young

Yeah. They want it popping up in their feed.

Marki

They want it popping in their feed. Right.

Dr. Young

Well, who's that? Is that Taylor Frankie?

Marki

Yeah, Taylor Frankie Paul.

Dr. Young

See, I don't even know her name.

Marki

"The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives."

Dr. Young

Yeah, but nobody cared about her until her season got canceled. Right? And so I think people really get worried about bad things happening and, "Oh, what if somebody thinks that, and what if some..."

And one of the things that has been nice about doing this series is there is a definite cult of hating chiropractors on social media, to the point where I know a lot of doctors who are like, "I'm not putting anything out there because people are going to say bad things."

Marki

Well, let me give you a little advice about haters, you guys.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

The algorithm does not know the difference between the haters and the lovers.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

So when people are going, "I hate your guts," or they're saying, "I love you," there's no difference. All the algorithm sees is engagement, engagement, engagement.

Dr. Young

Engagement.

Marki

You know what? I had a TV show called "The Drama Queen" on E! , and I'll never forget some girl in Australia watching goes, "I'd rather stab my eyeballs out with a fork than watch Marki." Right? And I go, "Wow, I am so impressed." And I go, "And really flattered." Someone I don't know on the other side of the world—

Dr. Young

Will do self-harm.

Marki

will do self-harm for me who she's never met.

Dr. Young

In a disgusting way.

Marki

Meaning, it takes way more to hate than to love. And I tell people all the time, "If that's what's stopping you from creating content or doing anything, stop it."

Dr. Young

Yeah, and there's something that's really, really powerful to understand, and that is— Well, I know you, but I don't know you. There's maybe three people in the world who really, really know me.

Marki

Know me. Yeah, right.

Dr. Young

Right? And that's the way it is for just about everybody. Okay? You probably have two or three people who really, really know you. And those people are people that you trust. And trust means that you are open enough with that person that they can know everything about you, and they still like you anyway. Okay?

And so, if somebody wants to say something bad to me or about me, when you understand this, there's only so much damage that that can do, because they don't know me. They have an idea of me. Right? They know a guy whose face starts up way too close to the camera when he starts his videos.

Marki

Right.

Dr. Young

And so, when people say all these hateful things, first of all, I know way more about what I'm talking about than they do. And so, eh, that doesn't phase me.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

And then the other thing too is, that's not my wife. It's not my father. It's not one of my children. So they don't know me.

Marki

It's nobody that you give a shit about that really knows you. And that's the truth. And I know, I see it with Finn's generation— he's scared to post certain things, or so afraid. And maybe because they're so impressionable and they're so young at that age, too.

Dr. Young

Oh, those kids are diabolical. They can do some bad stuff.

Marki

Before we go, can we talk about prom? Finn's going stag. And I was like, "Okay, well what's the plan?" He goes, "I don't know." Meaning, am I the only parent? What's going on?

Dr. Young

Oh, our generation never would've done that, right? If you don't have a date, you're not going.

Marki

You were not— Right.

Dr. Young

That's not how this—

Marki

No! These kids are happy to go stag. They're proud of it.

Dr. Young

And even going on the date doesn't really mean much. It's just like, we are arriving together, but my sons went to some dance and Griffin asked a girl, and he showed up, and they just hung out with a bunch of kids.

I don't even know if they were together most of the time, and then afterwards they left together, but nobody saw any problem with that. Which, that's not like the "Pretty in Pink." You know?

Marki

No. So much, right.

Dr. Young

"Pretty in Pink" era, it's like, this is who you're going with. Possibly marrying. Yes.

Marki

No, it's interesting because, yeah, they're excited to go as stag. Well, this has been an episode of, what are we? No, I'm just kidding. I've done so many podcasts for Scott today. He props me up. Marki will get the talking more. This has been Titans and Tangents!

Dr. Young

Well, can I—

Marki

Yes.

Dr. Young

I can sense that you're trying to end the podcast, and I want to say something really important before we do, because I've had this thought pop up a couple times. And I think this is something people deserve to know.

And I don't know where this quote comes from, and I'm afraid to look it up because I'm afraid that it's not real— that it's maybe something that I just thought of and I thought, "Man, this is so profound that I'm just quoting it," but what if I'm the guy who said it? I don't know. It's probably not, because it's stupid.

Marki

What is it?

Dr. Young

The quality of your life—

Marki

It's my first time in a studio.

Dr. Young

No, they can't hear it.

Marki

They could go quiet.

Dr. Young

No, they can't hear it. The quality of your life is the types of problems that you have.

Marki

I love that. The quality of life is the types of problems you have.

Dr. Young

Yes, the quality of your life.

Marki

We can actually hear you.

Dr. Young

You can? Okay.

Marki

Oh, good.

Dr. Young

All right. Oh, well they're gone. Yes, the quality of your life is the type of problems that you have. So I listed all these things that could be better about Corvallis. We talked about parents, we talked about healthcare, we talked about this and that, and it's like, I have really good problems.

Like with my kids— like my boys, for example, they're not on drugs.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

I don't have to go pick them up from prison or anything like that.

Marki

I agree 100%.

Dr. Young

We don't have to worry about if a mountain is going to fall on our house or anything.

Marki

No.

Dr. Young

And so I am grateful for wonderful problems.

Marki

I am, too. And I say that to Finn all the time. When he got hurt in lacrosse, I said, "Okay, let's look at it from the other side." Meaning, you're not in the hospital. You can still play again. And I say that the fact that you have a roof over your head, a car to drive. You can laugh.

There's so much in the little things, and I think really Oregon— Corvallis specifically— taught me. I would've never gone to the gym in LA because I didn't have time. It was my clients, my students, my kids, my business, my studio.

Here, I got to kind of rediscover me again and fall in love with media again, because it was such a big part of— job, job, job. I had to teach everybody, and I could teach people I didn't love. And now—

Dr. Young

Oh, the media problems here have got to be way better than the media problems back in LA.

Marki

They are. And so it's just made me fall— Corvallis has really, in so many lovely ways has really made me fall in love with life again.

Dr. Young

Yes.

Marki

So as much as we make fun of the pizza or this or that or whatever it may be, I love Corvallis.

Dr. Young

The land of wonderful problems.

Marki

And I'm so happy that Scott has this podcast studio. Because when I found Scott, it was like I found my people. I was like, "Oh my God, Jason has a pod— Let's get media happening."

And I love that we're going to sit down and talk to cool titans that are making cool strides in town, and you're like a mini celebrity here, Jason. So that is this episode. All right that's it for today.

Dr. Young

There you go.

Marki

We'll see you later. Bye.